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Subject: RE: Data integrity check in CIPE - Please explain me the necessityor benefit of a larger checksum.
From: "Mark Smith" <mark.smith,AT,avcosystems,DOT,co,DOT,uk>
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:05:11 +0100
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In-reply-to: <000b01c38675$53448180$d620a8c0@pcw_hans.hnsasd.priv>

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> * Existing packets: possible within the lifetime of the dynamic key (15
> minutes IIRC, so 7 min. on average) It will be seen as duplicated packets
> within the tunnel traffic.

If this were part of a complete sequence, replaying it a few seconds later
could be catastrophic.  Even if it were TCP, a new connection faked
correctly could cause, for example, a database transaction to be repeated,
or worse.  Replay is an issue - not just duplicate packets sent at the same
time.  Coupled with the checksum issue, as one of those packets may even
have been modified, and you're looking at a vulnerability that can be used
by someone capable of sniffing and introducing their own packets into the

> * Impossible IMHO, since it is computed from the encrypted packet.

Could the payload be altered to include such a CRC, and compare both the new
and existing checksums to determine if the packet has been altered?

Mark Smith - Avco Systems Ltd
email: mark.smith,AT,avcosystems,DOT,co,DOT,uk
Tel: +44 (0)1784 430996 Fax: +44 (0)1784 431078

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